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Rule Change Recommendation Short Title
# 5. Evaluate two pole fishing opportunity on "quality water" lakes statewide
Updated 11/09/2012

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Rules Category
Statewide

Type of Rule Change Proposal
Recreational

Short Description
Allow the use of two poles on "quality waters" statewide.

Explanation
Post implementation of the two-pole rule, WDFW is seeking to find additional waters where this rule can be applied to expand recreational opportunity. In addition: The "no two pole" icon was inadvertently left off of three selective gear rule waters in the sport fish pamphlet: Cougar, Buzzard and Little Twin. Since the inception of the two-pole rule, numerous anglers statewide have inquired about the possibility of allowing the use of two poles on "quality waters". DFW is soliciting comments from the public to determine if the two-pole rule should be placed on "quality waters". Options are: 1. No action, Leave the two-pole rule on "quality waters" the way it is; 2. Allow two-pole on all "quality Waters"; 3. Allow two-pole on a portion of "quality waters"-based on staff and public recommendations.

Lakes and ponds listed in this table are proposed as two-pole waters.

Region Lake/Pond Name County
1 Amber Spokane
1 Bayley Stevens
1 Browns Pend Oreille
1 Coffeepot Lincoln
1 Long Ferry
1 McDowell Stevens
1 Medical Spokane
1 Muskegon Pend Oreille
1 Rigley Stevens
2 Aeneas Okanogan
2 Beda Grant
2 Big Twin Okanogan
2 Black Okanogan
2 Blue (near Wannacut Lake) Okanogan
2 Blue (Sinlahekin Creek) Okanogan
2 Brookies Grant
2 Campbell Okanogan
2 Chopaka Okanogan
2 Cougar (Pasayten Wildnerness) Okanogan
2 Davis Okanogan
2 Dry Falls Grant
2 Dusty Grant
2 Ell Okanogan
2 Green Okanogan
2 Grimes Douglas
2 Hidden Okanogan
2 Homestead Grant
2 Lenice Grant
2 Lenore Grant
2 Lower green Okanogan
2 Merry Grant
2 Nunnally Grant
2 Quail Adams
2 Rat Okanogan
3 Lake Easton Kittitas
4 Lone Island
4 Mountain San Juan
4 Rattlesnake King
4 Ravensdale King
5 Fort Borst Park Lewis
6 Anderson Jefferson
6 Damon Grays Harbor
6 Kennedy Creek Thurston
6 McLane Creek Thurston
6 Mooses Pacific
6 Middle Nemah Pacific
6 Owens Pacific
6 Promised Land Grays Harbor
6 Shye Grays Harbor
6 Vance Creek #2 Grays Harbor
6 Wynoochee Reservoir Grays Harbor

Original Rule Proposal Number(s)
DFW174386
DFW246055

Final Rule Actions

Staff Recommendation
Adopt as proposed.

Commission Action
Adopted as proposed.

Rule Modifications
No


Public Testimony

There were no comments.

Online Public Comments  (45 comments)

KING, GARY L  September 20, 2012
SPOKANE, WA  
Comments:
I would like to see these changes implemented.
ZIMMER, ANTHONY D  September 21, 2012
VANCOUVER, WA  
Comments:
allow two pole on all quality waters
MARTINEK, ROBERT J  September 21, 2012
WOODINVILLE, WA  
Comments:
Quality lake implies a quality fishing experience. Having fly fished in Canada with two rods for trout, I can say it is not a quality experience when one hooks up both rods, one must decide which fish to play, while the other languishes and possibly suffers mortal fatigue. Quality implies one fishes with emphasis on the experience of selecting lure, presentation and contest, not meat fishing.
BIEKER, WARREN   September 25, 2012
BATTLE GROUND , WA  
Comments:
I've only fished Amber, Medical, Coffee Pot, Nunnally, Merry, Lenice, Dry Falls, Rattle Snake, and Beda from this list of lakes where a two pole endorsement is proposed. My belief is that if a two pole endorsement is allowed, the term "Quality Lake" would soon become a joke. This proposal smacks of an attempt to squeeze a little more money from the fishing public, and when enforcement officers cannot even keep bait fishermen from frequently fishing in plain view from the city park at the west end of Medical Lake, how can they ever hope to enforce a two pole rule? I am the secretary of the Clark-Skamania Fly Fishers in Vancouver, Washington, and I conducted a survey among our members in regard to a proposed two pole endorsement for both Cold Water and Merrill Lakes. The results in both cases were nearly 20 to 1 against the two pole endorsement, and thankfully they are not on this list. With the public becoming aware of this proposal, I am hoping that all will rall
DETERT, STEVE   September 28, 2012
BOTHELL, WA  
Comments:
I agree with the proposal to allow two pole fishing on quality waters in Washington Follow the Canadian rule. Only when fishing alone from a boat would it be allowed and need the extra endorsement
LYNCH, CRAIG T  October 02, 2012
RIDGEFIELD, WA  
Comments:
Disapprove. Most of these lakes are small and are easily fished with a single rod. Many are fished primarily on a fly fishing catch and release basis, and fly fishers travel significant distances to enjoy them. Two poling creates a "meat standard," and is unsportsmanlike, in my opinion.
TACHELL, JONATHAN T  October 08, 2012
GIG HARBOR, WA  
Comments:
I am in favor of this rule change and think it would add extra revenue for the WDFW to put back into the resource.
BORDERLINE BASSIN CONTENDERS, ROBERT HARRIMAN   October 15, 2012
BELLINGHAM, WA  
Comments:
The Borderline Bassin Contenders is in favor Of adding quality lakes to the Two Pole endorsement. The lakes should have been on list in the beginning. Thanks for your dedication to our fish & wildlife resources. Sincerely, Bob Harriman, legis liaison Borderline Bassin Contenders
LAROCCO, MICHAEL   October 23, 2012
WOODLAND , WA  
Comments:
People from all over the state visit 'quality' waters for an enhanced fishing experience. 2 hooks can be fished from a single line, and as a fly fisher, a second pole or reel spool can be switched in to target a differant depth in the water column. This proposal only benefits 'trollers' who appear to be more concerned about 'quantity' instead of 'quality'. It may cause decreased visitation by non-locals who don't think quality is a bunch of PBR drinking folks dragging many lures (2 rods, 3 people in 6 poles in a boat) around a 'quality' fishery. There usually are other alternatives in the area where these people can fish with multiple poles.
STRAWN, CHRIS   October 25, 2012
VANCOUVER, WA  
Comments:
I strongly disagree with the two pole option. The option does not fit with the spirit of recreational fishing. It will only benefit those who want to "harvest" as many fish as possible and encourage an attitude that does not value our fisheries. I am actually shocked it has been listed as a recommendations because it seems counter to the mission of the Fish and Wildlife Department.
COX, ROGER D  October 28, 2012
VANCOUVER, WA  
Comments:
Do NOT allow two rods on these waters.
CAMPBELL, LEE R  November 05, 2012
BURBANK, WA  
Comments:
raise the price of a two pole permit and make it good statewide.just like idaho does.you will sell alot.i dont buy one now because i rarely lakes fish mainly rivers.everyone i talk to agrees; you will make a ton of MONEY
ALTHAUSER, ART W  November 12, 2012
CENTRALIA, WA  
Comments:
I don't agree with any of the two pole fishing rules. Most people who use two poles don't know how to fish with one. It seems to me to be a way for the state to make more money.
FLASKERUD, RUSS D  November 20, 2012
VANCOUVER, WA  
Comments:
I don't like the idea of a two pole proposal, I feel that one rod is enough. With two rods I feel that more fish will be hooked and damaged as a result. Tending one rod is enoough. Thank you, Russ Flaskerud
MATHIESEN, MICHAEL   November 26, 2012
MARYSVILLE, WA  
Comments:
yes ,to two pole rule
PAFFHOUSE, GARY L  November 26, 2012
EVERETT, WA  
Comments:
Option 2. I like the idea of using 2 poles, regardless of water classification. I fish alone most of the time so the second rod would be an aid in searching out the proper pattern.
METCALF, JERRY G  November 27, 2012
ENUMCLAW, WA  
Comments:
I do not support this proposal. Managing two rigs in (barbless hook) quality waters is insanely difficult and would encourage not pinching barbs. Hooked fish get off easlily unless tended quickly and this would not be the case. The motivation is then to devise ways to keep the fish on and this leads to cheating. One rod fishing is quite adequate for the quality water experience. It is not meat hunting or fishing for numbers. Rather, the experience should be the quality of the fish in these special places. We have plenty of put and take, give us a quieter, simpler place to fish. Jerry
CARVER SR., RUSSELL L  November 29, 2012
LAKETAPPS, WA  
Comments:
I would like to see the 2-pole endorsement implemented on all waters in the state.The extra funding could be used for all kinds of fish and wildlife projects.We need the money to fund fish and wildlife projects! Thank you for letting us respond.
MOLENAAR, GARY   November 29, 2012
MOUNT VERNON , WA  
Comments:
I would highly endorse this proposal .. I fish a lot in Canada and have thoroughly enjoyed their policy on two rods. With the state being in suchlike budget shortfall , I would think innovative ways to make more money where a oerson can also enjoy it are a win win for everyone. The people that don't want to do it are not forced into it and wouldn't have to purchase them. Thanks for your consideration , Gary Molenaar
MOLENAAR, GARY   November 29, 2012
MOUNT VERNON , WA  
Comments:
I would highly endorse this proposal .. I fish a lot in Canada and have thoroughly enjoyed their policy on two rods. With the state being in suchlike budget shortfall , I would think innovative ways to make more money where a oerson can also enjoy it are a win win for everyone. The people that don't want to do it are not forced into it and wouldn't have to purchase them. Thanks for your consideration , Gary Molenaar
MCFARLAND, GARY D  December 02, 2012
BATTLE GROUND, WA  
Comments:
Allowing the two pole rule limits fishing opportunities as many lakes are crowded and a person with a two pole endorsement takes up a spot that would otherwise be taken by another licensed fisherman. I think the whole two pole endorsement should be removed. For us handicapped people are very limited to fishing spots as it is. Option 3
SHORETT, DAVE   December 02, 2012
BAINBRIDGE ISLAND, WA  
Comments:
This seems like a sensible idea since most quality waters are fished by c&r anglers and they release virtually all the fish they catch. I see no harm and it does give people the opportunity to troll two rods, one highin the water, one deep, and certainly improves their odds of figuring out what works. I personally really like the two pole opportunity as a fly anglers, it allows me to use a sinking line when in a float tube or pontoon boat and if I see rising fish, I can leave the sink line hanging, cast to the rising fish, rather than having to reel in the sink line and stow it. I can't imagine this has any significant impact on the trout, except that I might be enabled to catch and release a few more. I use it wherever it is allowed now.
MEYER, PAUL S  December 06, 2012
KENNEWICK, WA  
Comments:
Open all state waters, to include the Snake and Columbia rivers to two pole rule.
WAGSTAFF, WILLIAM H  December 06, 2012
SPOKANE, WA  
Comments:
The whole concept of "quality waters" seems to be to allow for more escapement of fish resulting in larger "quality" fish. Two pole fishing does not allow anglers the opportunity to quickly play fish. This would result in a higher mortality which would work to reduce "quality". Two pole fishing should be focused on "put and take" fisheries.
MORTON, HAROLD A  December 07, 2012
CENTRALIA, WA  
Comments:
it makes no difference if you use 1-2-or 10 poles the daily limit is still the same.
OZANICH, RICH M  December 07, 2012
RICHLAND, WA  
Comments:
I did not see my previously submitted comment reflected in recommended or not recommended comments. "Allow 2-pole endoresement for salmon and steelhead fishing on the Columbia River until 1 fish is retained, then only 1 pole may be used. This rule shall not apply to commercial fishermen or guides."
GARDNER, JOE R  December 07, 2012
KIRKLAND, WA  
Comments:
I think there should be "no two pole" usage on quality waters.
ABRAMS, TERRY R  December 10, 2012
ANACORTES, WA  
Comments:
I am against two pole fishing because it is not sporting, it is unethical, and is contrary to the reasons that we have Quality and Selective gear waters. If WDFW is only interested in ways to make more money then why limit the number of license and poles one person can use. If harvest and money are the driving factors here maybe you should re-open the old Washington Dept. of Fisheries playbook from 1974 and have salmon snagging seasons. That would surely generate interest and income. Question : Lone Lake, Island Co., is open to two poling but is under selective gear regulation; can one person fish with two poles each having having three single hook lures/flies for a total of six or is that person limited by the selective gear rule to a total of three hooks regardless of the number of poles?
EDDY, JR., LESTER J  December 10, 2012
CLINTON, WA  
Comments:
I am against the 2 pole rule entirely! I believe it is giving in to mans selfish side of his desires. I was born in 1934, raised by my fishing and hunting father and taught to sport fish with only the fishing rod in my hand. I had to learn the most efficient and fruitful ways to use manipulate it, whether I was throwing a fly or bait. I quit bait 30 years ago. Being also a hunter as well as a fisherman, I also, as an avid angler, chose to be educated in conservation of wildlife and our valuable fish runs, that Mother nature has provided us with because without the returns we don't need rods. Keep up the good work. Les Eddy
GRATE, JAY   December 11, 2012
WEST RICHLAND, WA  
Comments:
Option 2
WHITNEY, JACK D  December 12, 2012
BRUSH PRAIRIE, WA  
Comments:
With two rods more fish will be caught. Most of the fishermen fishing quality lakes are practicing catch and release. There is a certain mortality to catch and release. With more fish being caught, more fish will die through careless handling. I doubt that the money made by selling a few more 2 rod endorsements will pay for the additional fish that will die because of this regulation change. Quality lakes are not getting enough attention from game wardens. Opening up quality lakes to two rods will attract more fisherman who aren't interested in preserving the resource only taking from it. I suspect there will be more game violations which will go undetected and will ultimately hurt the fishing quality of the listed lakes. Imagine a boat with 4 people, each with two rods with 3 hooks per line. You will have a 24 hooks behind the trolling boat. Snagging fish could become a big issue with that concentration of hooks. I am against the proposed regulation change.
MAYFIELD, SCOTT   December 12, 2012
CHENEY, WA  
Comments:
I'm all for it. Using two rods does not detract from the experience. It does make things a little crazy when both rods are going off, but I digress.
BIEKER, WARREN   December 15, 2012
BATTLE GROUND , WA  
Comments:
I've written previously. I'm still opposed to allowing two poles on quality lakes. I am hoping that part of the reason for the extension of receiving comments from the public is that you are reconsidering the proposal, and that those of us who are in opposition actually have a chance to see it fail.
PERRY, GREGORY J  December 18, 2012
GREENACRES,, WA  
Comments:
Two pole permit should be allowed on ALL freshwater lakes and rivers. Two pole permit should be allowed on all quality lakes. Two pole permit should be allowed on steelhead fishing on the Columbia River upstream of Bonneville Dam. Two pole permit should be allowed on steelhead fishing on the entire reach of the Snake River. Two pole permit should be allowed for Salmon only when fishing on stocks where quota on impacts will not be in effect.
PAINE, MICHAEL   January 03, 2013
SEATTLE, WA  
Comments:
I see little need for this exemption except on large lakes where trolling is the major angling method.
PETERS, JIMMIE   January 08, 2013
TACOMA, WA  
Comments:
Should be allowed
STONE, KEN   January 11, 2013
TONASKET, WA  
Comments:
I have a home on Aeneas Lake, I catch and release every fish. Being how difficult this lake can be to fish, I don't see any problem allowing two poles. It allows the fisherman a chance to figure out where they are feeding at the time and some direction on how to continue.
WICKERSHAM, ED   January 25, 2013
RIDGEFIELD, WA  
Comments:
I am generally opposed to any consideration of allowing a two pole endorsement on quality waters, specifically quality waters for trout. I believe it sends a message of gluttony and greed rather than sportsmanship. While that may be a subjective view I don't see a two pole endorsement building support for recreational fishing in the long term. I would argue that your goal must be increasing increasing license sales rather than short term revenue gains. Two pole endorsements should be used in areas where there are exotic deleterious species such as bass, walleye, catfish etc. to be harvested not quality waters. What I would like to see is the agency provide to the public annually the revenue generated by the two pole endoresement. Two pole endorsements are not going to generate long term revenue benefits, increased recreational license buyers or a responsible conservation ethic all of which should be the long term goals of WDFW. Respectfully Submitted, Ed Wickersham
MCCARY, DAVID   January 12, 2013
KENNEWICK, WA  
Comments:
Leave the two pole restriction in place. There is no reason to remove the restriction other than to gain additional revenue. I think the quality waters would be fished out quicker with the two pole addition.
WICKERSHAM, ED   January 25, 2013
RIDGEFIELD, WA  
Comments:
I am generally opposed to any consideration of allowing a two pole endorsement on quality waters, specifically quality waters for trout. I believe it sends a message of gluttony and greed rather than sportsmanship. While that may be a subjective view I don't see a two pole endorsement building support for recreational fishing in the long term. I would argue that your goal must be increasing increasing license sales rather than short term revenue gains. Two pole endorsements should be used in areas where there are exotic deleterious species such as bass, walleye, catfish etc. to be harvested not quality waters. What I would like to see is the agency provide to the public annually the revenue generated by the two pole endoresement. Two pole endorsements are not going to generate long term revenue benefits, increased recreational license buyers or a responsible conservation ethic all of which should be the long term goals of WDFW. Respectfully Submitted, Ed Wickersham
EHR, RICHARD L  January 13, 2013
RICHLAND, WA  
Comments:
Consider expanding the two pole allowed to include areas on the Columbia and Snake Rivers for Salmon and Steelhead. Idaho allows two poles on the Snake and Clearwater rivers - increasing sports fishery opportunities. Oregon regulations appear to allow two poles above Heel Canyon dam but are currently aligned with Washington regulations on the Snake and Columbia.
BORDERLINE BASSIN CONTENDERS, ROBERT HARRIMAN   January 14, 2013
BELLINGHAM, WA  
Comments:
we recommend passing thank Bob Harriman, legis liaison Borderline Bassin Contenders
GOFORTH, WILLIAM J  January 22, 2013
UNIVERSITY PLACE, WA  
Comments:
I love the idea of two pole fishing! I think it is a great opportunity to create more revenue for the Department of Fish and wildlife! I hope this can expand to Puget Sound fishing for salmon! I would pay up to $30 extra for this!
WISNER, LEEROY   January 28, 2013
CHEHALIS, WA  
Comments:
Yes
HAW, FRANK   January 28, 2013
OLYMPIA, WA  
Comments:
Two "pole" rule on quality waters appears oxymoronic and I appose. How about restoring the rule in the Puget Sound region where non-tribal salmon catches are far below 50% of the court mandated harvest?